Prefix for BIRD maillist emails
Hi chaps, Just an small cosmetic detail to whoever is responsible for the mail list. Perhaps would be nice to have on every email subject sent by the Maillist system the Prefix [BIRD] or [BIRD-Users] to identify more clearly the incoming emails. Would it be possible to consider it ? Thanks Fernando
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 05:16:16PM +0100, Fernando Frediani wrote:
Hi chaps,
Just an small cosmetic detail to whoever is responsible for the mail list. Perhaps would be nice to have on every email subject sent by the Maillist system the Prefix [BIRD] or [BIRD-Users] to identify more clearly the incoming emails. Would it be possible to consider it ?
Hi Well, that is probably not a good idea w.r.t. current DKIM / DMARC movement - modifying subject may lead to break DKIM signature and rejecting the mail in some circumstances. Generally, the proper way is to identify mails from mailing lists by their List-ID header, which, as i checked now, is missing here and should be added. -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Ondrej 'Santiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@crfreenet.org) OpenPGP encrypted e-mails preferred (KeyID 0x11DEADC3, wwwkeys.pgp.net) "To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so."
Ondrej Zajicek <santiago@crfreenet.org> writes:
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 05:16:16PM +0100, Fernando Frediani wrote:
Hi chaps,
Just an small cosmetic detail to whoever is responsible for the mail list. Perhaps would be nice to have on every email subject sent by the Maillist system the Prefix [BIRD] or [BIRD-Users] to identify more clearly the incoming emails. Would it be possible to consider it ?
Hi
Well, that is probably not a good idea w.r.t. current DKIM / DMARC movement - modifying subject may lead to break DKIM signature and rejecting the mail in some circumstances.
Generally, the proper way is to identify mails from mailing lists by their List-ID header, which, as i checked now, is missing here and should be added.
This. 100% -Daniel
Am 17.10.2014 um 16:01 schrieb Daniel Corbe <corbe@corbe.net>:
Generally, the proper way is to identify mails from mailing lists by their List-ID header, which, as i checked now, is missing here and should be added.
This. 100%
I second this; so I can finally filter the bird emails correctly (and not per To/Cc/Bcc, which doesn't work in some cases). Stefan
Guys, I don't see much a problem. It's not about filtering (this can be done in many ways), just about having the miallist title on the email Subject in order to be better identify the email. Most of the maillists I'm in have the name on the Subject of all emails in the format [XXXX] and this does not cause any issues for anyone as far as I know. Regards, Fernando On 17/10/2014 15:17, Stefan Zimmermann wrote:
Am 17.10.2014 um 16:01 schrieb Daniel Corbe <corbe@corbe.net <mailto:corbe@corbe.net>>:
Generally, the proper way is to identify mails from mailing lists by their List-ID header, which, as i checked now, is missing here and should be added.
This. 100%
I second this; so I can finally filter the bird emails correctly (and not per To/Cc/Bcc, which doesn't work in some cases).
Stefan
Guys, I don't see much a problem. It's not about filtering (this can be done in many ways), just about having the maillist title on the email Subject in order to be better identify the email. Most of the maillists I'm in have the name on the Subject of all emails in the format [XXXX] and this does not cause any issues for anyone as far as I know. Regards, Fernando
On 17/10/2014 15:17, Stefan Zimmermann wrote:
Am 17.10.2014 um 16:01 schrieb Daniel Corbe <corbe@corbe.net <mailto:corbe@corbe.net>>:
Generally, the proper way is to identify mails from mailing lists by their List-ID header, which, as i checked now, is missing here and should be added.
This. 100%
I second this; so I can finally filter the bird emails correctly (and not per To/Cc/Bcc, which doesn't work in some cases).
Stefan
Hello, world!
Most of the maillists I'm in have the name on the Subject of all emails in the format [XXXX] and this does not cause any issues for anyone as far as I know.
For the record, I consider adding subject tags by mailing lists quite annoying. I sort each list to a separate folder anyway, so the repeating subject tags provide no value and they eat precious screen real estate. Have a nice fortnight -- Martin `MJ' Mares <mj@ucw.cz> http://mj.ucw.cz/ Faculty of Math and Physics, Charles University, Prague, Czech Rep., Earth Why is it called "common sense" when nobody seems to have any?
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 04:00:19PM +0100, Fernando Frediani wrote:
Guys,
I don't see much a problem. It's not about filtering (this can be done in many ways), just about having the miallist title on the email Subject in order to be better identify the email.
Most of the maillists I'm in have the name on the Subject of all emails in the format [XXXX] and this does not cause any issues for anyone as far as I know.
http://www.w3.org/Mail/subject-tagging and one of the most traffic intensive lists like Linux Kernel: http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s3-19 Flo -- Florian Lohoff f@zz.de
As I said it was not necessarily to do mail filtering on the mail clients, but to separate email (in some even cases visually) that helps out people, a pure cosmetic thing. I see the reasons on the w3.org website and they make complete sense, but in the other hand I don't see either that causing much issue. Is more as they say: "/because we would rather see effort invested in getting mail software fixed to do the right thing than provide workarounds that provide no incentive to do so, at the expense of users whose mail clients already do the right thing./" I think is over concerning with something that doesn't cause that much issue other than what is stated on the w3 website, maybe. In any way, thanks for replying and for providing the URLs as base. No worries as this will not change the propose of the list. Best regards all, Fernando On 17/10/2014 18:17, Florian Lohoff wrote:
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 04:00:19PM +0100, Fernando Frediani wrote:
Guys,
I don't see much a problem. It's not about filtering (this can be done in many ways), just about having the miallist title on the email Subject in order to be better identify the email.
Most of the maillists I'm in have the name on the Subject of all emails in the format [XXXX] and this does not cause any issues for anyone as far as I know. http://www.w3.org/Mail/subject-tagging
and one of the most traffic intensive lists like Linux Kernel:
http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s3-19
Flo
Hi Fernando, On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:25:32PM +0100, Fernando Frediani wrote:
As I said it was not necessarily to do mail filtering on the mail clients, but to separate email (in some even cases visually) that helps out people, a pure cosmetic thing.
I see the reasons on the w3.org website and they make complete sense, but in the other hand I don't see either that causing much issue. Is more as they say: "/because we would rather see effort invested in getting mail software fixed to do the right thing than provide workarounds that provide no incentive to do so, at the expense of users whose mail clients already do the right thing./" I think is over concerning with something that doesn't cause that much issue other than what is stated on the w3 website, maybe. In any way, thanks for replying and for providing the URLs as base. No worries as this will not change the propose of the list.
I am still reading my mail with a text only mailreader e.g. mutt. I have a 80x25 terminal typically - If you only add a "[bird] " so the subject line you are claiming ~9% of MY visible line-space. It might be that your Full-HD display with your graphical mail reader offers gazillion columns for subject but there are a lot of underfunded, underequipped people out there who like to preserve their screen space for more essential information than a simple marker. I read probably 80-100 Mailinglists and i have procmail to sort my mails into folder. Beeing in the bird folder will show me only bird mails - so there is no point in adding a subject-tag for me. Flo -- Florian Lohoff f@zz.de
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 06:34:57PM +0200, Ondrej Zajicek wrote:
Generally, the proper way is to identify mails from mailing lists by their List-ID header, which, as i checked now, is missing here and should be added.
Indeed, that would be really useful. Thanks, Baptiste
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Baptiste Jonglez -
Daniel Corbe -
Fernando Frediani -
Florian Lohoff -
Martin Mares -
Ondrej Zajicek -
Stefan Zimmermann