(treba column), zkusim to na lidi a uvidim.
Bacha, u Acey Deucey neni concentric Circulate, ale Circulate:
Ends (or outsides) must be able to Circulate and not become centers.
Jak to chces delat z Columns?
No prave jako Concentric. Zrovna v tomto pripade si myslim, ze by to slo. Kdo jsou ends, je jasne, a ani si nikdo prekazet nebude. Nevim, jak se na to lidi budou tvarit, ale za zkousku to stoji. David
(treba column), zkusim to na lidi a uvidim.
Bacha, u Acey Deucey neni concentric Circulate, ale Circulate:
Ends (or outsides) must be able to Circulate and not become centers.
Jak to chces delat z Columns?
No prave jako Concentric. Zrovna v tomto pripade si myslim, ze by to slo. Kdo jsou ends, je jasne, a ani si nikdo prekazet nebude. Nevim, jak se na to lidi budou tvarit, ale za zkousku to stoji.
David
Davide, jsi si opravdu jisty tim co tu pises? Dovol abych ti rekl nasledujici: 1) Dle meho nazoru se seredne pletes, to co pises je holy nesmysl. Tanecnici na urovni znalosti A2 a nize - tedy ti jez proste neznaji Concentric concept to nemohou zatancovat, budou-li postupovat presne podle definic a pravidel jez znaji. Museli by proste projit skrz ty centers, zaslapnout je... a to nejde. Ne, tady neplati a nepomuze zadne pravidlo mijeni pravym ramenem, ani nic jineho co znaji. Bez dodatecnych povelu a directional calling (ale to uz je o necem uplne jinem a v nasich krajich to casto nefunguje kvuli neochote a jazykove bariere) proste nemaji jak najit tu cirkulacni drahu. A i kdyby ji nasli, budou patrne dost na vazkach, jestli se maji na konci dorovnat ci ne, proste jaka je vysledna formace. 2) Jako soukroma osoba - caller z vysokych levelu si tvrd co chces a od takoveho snad i pochopim, ze nezna pravidla na tech "nizkych" levelech (jak rikam, tady nestaci ani A2). Ale ty mas krom toho take funkci v CSCTA. Dle meho nazoru jednu ze dvou nejdulezitejsich funkci a z pohledu clena-callera vubec nejdulezitejsi funkci. Ja (=obycejny radovy clen, caller) vcelku kaslu na prezidenta, pokladnika a dalsi cleny byrokratickeho aparatu. Jsou pro mne nezajimavi, to jsou jen administrativni sluzba pro tebe (a pro Round Dance coordinatora), mne zajima to co pro mne CSCTA dela a to by melo prichazet od tebe. proto te prosim - dokud v te funkci jsi, zvazuj co rikas a pises. Muzes tim dost zmast a neumyslne uvest v blud ty kdoz nevedi jak se veci maji. Abych objasnil proc to pisi a proc se muj nazor s tvym rozchazi, tady jsou definice: ACEY DEUCEY - Starting formation - parallel waves and two-faced lines. Other formations which meet the following conditions are also acceptable: Must be able to identify 4 centers and 4 ends (or outsides). Centers must be able to trade within in adjacent pairs of 2. Ends (or outsides) must be able to Circulate and not become centers. Center 4 Trade, while the others Circulate. TIMING - 4 Aha, je tam Circulate. Takze: 11 REVISED SEP 1, 2003 52. CIRCULATE FAMILY: Starting formation - waves, columns, lines and two-faced lines. GENERAL RULE: Directed (active) dancers move forward along the circulate path to the next position. The circulate paths for various formations are indicated by the dotted lines in the diagrams. (a) BOYS CIRCULATE, (b) GIRLS CIRCULATE, (c) ALL EIGHT CIRCULATE, (d) ENDS CIRCULATE, (e) CENTERS CIRCULATE: Directed dancers circulate using the general rule. (f) COUPLES CIRCULATE: Starting formation - lines or two-faced lines. Each couple, working as a unit, moves forward along the circulate path to the next position, using the general rule. (g) BOX CIRCULATE: Starting formation - box circulate. Each dancer moves forward along the circulate path to the next position, using the general rule. (h) SINGLE FILE CIRCULATE (COLUMN): Starting formation - columns. Each dancer moves forward along the circulate path to the next position, using the general rule. (i) SPLIT CIRCULATE: Starting formation - lines, waves or columns. The formations divide into two separate boxes and dancers circulate within their own foursome, using the general rule. VIZ OBRAZEK V PRILOZE. To je prosim definice, ktera plati na Mainstreamu. Jine znalosti Circulate tam tanecnici nemaji. Ano, lze delat Circulate i z jinych formaci, ale musi to byt resitelne na zaklade TECHTO znalosti. Dovolim si tu nepublikovat i dalsi definice Diamond Circulate z Plusu, Cross Ovwer Circulate z A1 a Trade Circulate ci Hourglass Circulate z A2. Vsichni zajiste dobre znaji, kdo nazna, muze je najit napriklad na http://www.callerlab.org/ V zadne z techto definic tanecnikum nic nerika, ze by meli obejit prekazky sirokym obloukem. Vzdy jsou primo na dalsi "zastavku" na cirkulacni draze. To je zakladni princip cele figury, jez se tanecnikum od pocatku vstepuje - a pokud ten pochopi, nemaji pak problem provadet circulate ze vsech moznych legalnich provedeni. To co po nich chces nelze odvodit ze zadne z techto definic. Ja to proto povazuji za naprosto nelegalni a nesmyslne pouziti. Neni nutne z tanecniku delat dementy (abych pouzil Miluv slovnik). Ale take nesmime od nich chtit, aby vedeli neco "navic" z vyssich levelu a prohlasovat to za normalni jen proto, ze caller tyto levely zna a ma rad. Martin "Pavouk" Podlaha pavouk@square.cz
Bacha, u Acey Deucey neni concentric Circulate, ale Circulate:
Ends (or outsides) must be able to Circulate and not become centers.
Jak to chces delat z Columns?
No prave jako Concentric. Zrovna v tomto pripade si myslim, ze by to slo. Kdo jsou ends, je jasne, a ani si nikdo prekazet nebude. Nevim, jak se na to lidi budou tvarit, ale za zkousku to stoji.
David
Ahoj, Davide, osobne bych figuru Acey Deucey takhle nepouzil. Jakkoli specifikace "not become Centers" pripousti dvoji vyklad (neskonci jako Centers; nebudou Centers behem provadeni figury), je pro figuru Circulate celkem jasne definovan zpusob provedeni pomoci cirkulacnich drah (dokonce pomoci obrazku) a tanecnici by se proste srazili. Dokazu si predstavit, ze by to slo teoreticky pouzit, pokud by caller vyslovne rekl, ze Ends maji pracovat KOLEM Centers (coz je ale pravda pokazde, takze by to tanecniky spise zmatlo), nicmene samotny princip definici evidentne neodpovida (pokud na cirkulacni draze prede mnou nekdo je, mel bych prece skoncit na jeho pozici, ne?), nemluve o tom, ze bych si nebyl jisty, kam maji Ends po provedeni sve casti figury vlastne byt otoceni. A chtit tohle po tanecnicich bez jakehokoli vysvetleni (z Tveho mailu neni jasne, jak presne a jakym tanecnikum to chces zkusit callerovat) mi uz prijde vyslovene jako ulet. Mej se, Tomas "Doug" Machalik
(treba column), zkusim to na lidi a uvidim.
Bacha, u Acey Deucey neni concentric Circulate, ale Circulate:
Ends (or outsides) must be able to Circulate and not become centers.
Jak to chces delat z Columns?
No prave jako Concentric. Zrovna v tomto pripade si myslim, ze by to slo. Kdo jsou ends, je jasne, a ani si nikdo prekazet nebude. Nevim, jak se na to lidi budou tvarit, ale za zkousku to stoji.
Nelze. Nemuzes prohlasit za "Extended Application" neco, co jde primo proti (vyse citovanemu) zakazu v definici. Kdyz je tam EXPLICITNE zakaz neceho, tak si nepomuzes ani na vyssim levelu. Jo, na C2 a vys bys asi mohl jako "Extended Application" pouzit Anything Concept i na Acey Deucey misto jenom na Motivate, Percolate a Perk Up, takze pak by pekna hricka byla "Concentric Acey Deucey" z Columns. To by slo. Ale ciste Acey Deucey nikdy na zadnem levelu nemuzes pouzit z Columns. Teda - legalne :-) Milan Vancura
Application" pouzit Anything Concept i na Acey Deucey misto jenom na Motivate, Percolate a Perk Up, takze pak by pekna hricka byla "Concentric Acey Deucey" z Columns. To by slo. Ale ciste Acey Deucey nikdy na zadnem levelu nemuzes pouzit z Columns. Teda - legalne :-)
Maly dodatek: porad je to priserne obihani. Kdyz uz bys pouzival ten Anything Concept, tak by podle me bylo mnohem hezci "O Acey Deucey", coz je mnohem hezci pohyb - ale zase to skonci v divne formaci (Pin Wheel): x xxx xxx x Kdybys chtel "hezke zarovnane" formace, tak by Outsides museli jit O Circulate twice - a to uz jako figuru mame nadefinovane s vlastnim nazvem, ne? :-) Milan
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David Tesar -
Martin Podlaha -
Milan Vancura -
Tomas Machalik