Hi there, I would like to ask on whether bird is actually used in medium-sized production environments and what the experiences are, with regard to stability and possibilities for debugging, especially on the OSPF and BGP parts. Since I am only learning said more complex routing protocols (until now everything that needed to be done could be handled with static routing or RIP) I wonder if BIRD is a good platform to use. Compared to eg. Cisco or Zebra, the possibilities of getting BGP status information (paths etc) seem to be rather limited. Anyone running BGP on a network consisting of more than just a single box, and running full internet tables ? How How does BIRD do there, since route dampening is on the todo, and the books describe it as a very important feature for an internet grade BGP router ? OSPF I couldnt test at all, bird just crashes right after startup (probably my config file describes an invalid configuration). Again, can BIRD be recommended as a routing solution for single area OSPF networks, around 20-30 Routers ? Scaling for more areas? Interoperability with other vendors tested ? Again, the idea for me is to learn the routing protocols, on a practical example; I dont have 20 Ciscos to play with, and bird looked like a nice little daemon for that job (and also for future deployment, if it works..) Or any other suggestions ? (Replies to this question please in private, as I dont want to start any flame wars here) Regards, Mario -- Mario Lorenz Internet: <ml@vdazone.org> Ham Radio: DL5MLO@OK0PKL.#BOH.CZE.EU Trust the computer industry to shorten "Year 2000" to Y2K. It was this kind of thinking that caused the problem in the first place.